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Poster: MrMovie Date: Nov 14, 2008 1:03pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Two In PD No One Knows About........

DESPERATE VOYAGE (Made For TV) 1980
Christopher Plumber, Jonathan Banks,
and
ISLAND OF ADVENTURE (1982)
AKA Enid Blyton's The Island of Adventure

Both of these films are PD. Desperate Voyage won't show up in the on-line copyright database and two sourcs list the releasing company as "unknown" The production company is out of business.

Island Of Adventure is a bit more complex. It has to do with a title discrepancy which left the film out to hang in the Public Domain. This film will not show up in the on-line Copyright database either.

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Poster: jonc Date: Nov 14, 2008 2:29pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Two In PD No One Knows About........

When a company goes under, they usually sell all of their assets, including things such as copyrights. Have you checked for a copyright notice? If the films have a notice, they are under copyright regardless of whether or not they are registered with the Copyright Office.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Nov 14, 2008 9:04pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Two In PD No One Knows About........

Desperate Voyage (1980) is on a number of list of copyright transfers:
1) A Video Licences between Telepictures Corp and CBS/Fox Video (V2120P367-369 1985)
2) Telepictures' catalgue sale to Time Warner Entertainment LP (V2901P805 1992)
3) the entity name was changed from Time Warner to Warner Communicatons in 2003 (V3492D137)
These are not a guarantee of the Copyright status but are a good sign that a large corporation thinks it owns the film. I wouldn't consider it PD unless the print is completely in tact (ie does not cut off at the end) and no copyright notice is present.
IMDB lists to prod co's for this film as Barry Weitz Films (which made shows up to 1999), Joe Wizan TV Prods and CBS Television. These guys were pretty big time producers in TV and film (Joe Wizan was Exec Producer on "Kiss the Girls", "Along Came a Spider", etc.)


Enid Blyton's Island of Adventure
It doesn't matter what title you have, Island of Adventure's US licence was registered with the copyright office in 1982
Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V1950P340
Date of Recordation: 1982-12-08
Entire Copyright Document: V1950P340-341
Date of Execution: 26Nov82
Title: Island of adventure.
Party 1: Ebefilms, Ltd.
Party 2: Samuel Goldwyn Company.

Names: Ebefilms, Ltd.
Samuel Goldwyn Company
Its is a UK film from 1982 so it is extremely unlikely that it would be PD under any circumstances. Also it should be noted that a title change does not affect the status of a movie. Reel Media got into trouble for releasing this on their Amazon DVD-r label as "Castle of Adventure". The Sam Goldwyn Co Catalogue is now administered by MGM.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2008-11-15 05:04:35

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Nov 15, 2008 8:13am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Two In PD No One Knows About........

Where pray tell (or how) did you locate all this info? If you type either one of these titles into the seach box on-line (copyright office) big red letters pop up that say's SEARCH RESULTS FOUND NO SUCH ITEM. You get the exact same notice if you do a specific search under Motion Pictures. It doesn't even show those recorded doc's you note, let alone the films. If the on-line office is 1978 to present then where are these two films hiding? What exactly did you put into that search box to get all this info? I tried it again this morning and I keep getting NO SUCH ITEM. Finally, the 16mm print of DESPERATE VOYAGE does not cut off at the end. It is a complete print with original heads/tails. Your info about Island Of Adventure makes more sense, but how you validated that info would be interesting to know.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Nov 15, 2008 3:28pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Two In PD No One Knows About........

I went to the copyright office website and typed in the titles of the films.

"Desperate Voyage" returns 6 items. I always sort results into date order and look at the items closest to the release of the film I am looking at.

"Island of Adventure" returned 33 items. Again sorting to ascending date order helps becuase this story has been filmed twice once in the early 80s and a second time as part of a Blyton TV series in the 90s.

When you are looking for films from 1978 onwards, which do not need to be registered to secure copyright, the database limiters (like "motion Picture" filter, etc) don't help as type of work is not attached to recorded documents. Only registartion and renewals will come up with that limiter. You need to look for recorded documents for video license, transfers of ownership etc.

The only circumstances under which "Island of Adventure" would be PD is if its creator, a division of the Enid Blyton Estate (EBEfilms LTD), dedicated it to the public domain which they probably wouldn't as they have taken every step available to ensure perpetual rights over her work through trademarks, etc.

The only test you need to take for Desperate Voyage is if it has a valid copyright warning. Copyright warning must have the word "copyright" or the (C) logo, the year of publication and the owner of the copyright. If it has this it is protected by copyright. If it doesn't have this, it was not registered witin 5 yrs of publication and is thus Public Domain.

I attached the result page from copyright.org

Attachment: DV02.jpg
Attachment: DV04.jpg

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Nov 15, 2008 4:17pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Two In PD No One Knows About........

I'm going to have to check the 16mm print of Desperate Voyage because we've had that print since about 1987, The only reason it has held up so well is it was on cores and is on Eastman LPP film stock. It has not faded, has no lines or scratches. The only splices are where the core sections were put together on the reels. I'll check it over the weekend and let you know what I discover.

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Nov 17, 2008 1:41pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Two In PD No One Knows About........

Well, the end credits are in yellow against a blue sky and sea. Just below the Titles & Optics Credit there is something two paragraphs long written in print so small that one would need a microscope to read it that may or may not be denoting a copyright. Freezing the image doesn't help it just makes what ever is written there look like one big yellow blob. If there is a (c) with a date there it is totally unreadable. Best to probably assume the film is under copyright but I'll bet who ever has it in their library of films probably doesn't even know they have it.

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